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【AMA】饱受争议的闪电网络, 能在2020年迎来大爆发吗?

嘉宾 Paolo_Ardoino

关于闪电网络:简单来说,闪电网络是构建在比特币网络上的Layer2支付协议,用来解决比特币网络拥塞问题。其理念是,在区块链之外开通一条“绿色通道”,将大量高频的、小额的交易在区块链外进行。 如此,交易双方可在这条“绿色通道”上进行多次、高频、双向地、点对点的,可实现瞬间确认的微支付;而且双方若无直接的点对点支付通道,只要…

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关于闪电网络:


简单来说,闪电网络是构建在比特币网络上的Layer2支付协议,用来解决比特币网络拥塞问题。其理念是,在区块链之外开通一条“绿色通道”,将大量高频的、小额的交易在区块链外进行。 

如此,交易双方可在这条“绿色通道”上进行多次、高频、双向地、点对点的,可实现瞬间确认的微支付;而且双方若无直接的点对点支付通道,只要闪电网络中存在一条连通双方的、由多个支付通道构成的支付路径,那么也可以利用这条支付路径实现可靠的交易。 

采用率低,违背经济规律? 


最近网络上经常出现一些关于闪电网络采用率的讨论,更有批评人士指出,闪电网络中锁定的通道数量及总BTC数量明显减少了。
莱比特矿池CEO江卓尔曾在微博上表示“闪电网络违背了产品及经济规律,失败是命中注定的”。著名博主ahr999也提到现实生活中闪电网络的应用场景相对匮乏。 


然而,Digital Asset Research的技术研究主任Lucas Nuzzi 提出了不同意见,Lucas认为,闪电网络最被低估的优点之一,在于其直截了当的隐私属性。由于闪电网络不依赖于所有状态更改的全局验证(即它自己的区块链),用户可使用附加技术和网络覆盖层(如Tor)进行私下交易。根据Christian Decker的估计,闪电网络约有41%的通道是私有的:在这些通道中发生的活动,是无法被流行的闪电网络浏览器捕捉到的。因此,闪电网络私有使用量的增加,会导致公开的数据量减少,从而导致观察者得出错误的结论:闪电网络的使用量正在下降。 

主流机构亮“绿灯”:


12月3日,加密货币交易所Bitfinex宣布支持闪电网络的存款和提款,成为了首个支持闪电网络的主流交易所。业内人士纷纷表示2020年会有更多交易所跟上步伐,闪电网络的基础设施将得到改善。


最近,闪电网络客户端Breez的联合创始人兼CEO Roy Sheinfeld也发文阐述闪电网络将在2020年爆发的要素:通过中微子(neutrino)实现闪电网络移动端客户端;简化通道管理;使用潜互换(Submarine Swaps)的链上?&链下转移;暸望塔(Watchtower);法币&闪电网络的互操作性;激励用户采用闪电网络;闪电网络应用(Lapp);使用lnurl带来更好的用户体验等。


延伸阅读:《盘点闪电网络将在2020年爆发的九大理由》


本期嘉宾:


Paolo Ardoino,Bitfinex CTO。


2008年Paolo 从热那亚大学的计算机科学专业毕业,之后他开始在一个军事项目中担任研究员,主要涉及高可用性自动恢复网络和密码学。出于对金融学的热爱,Paolo 在2010年开始从事金融相关程序开发,并于2013年底成立了Fincluster 并出任CTO。Paolo最终于2014年加入Bitfinex,担任高级软件开发人员,负责交易引擎开发,平台可扩展性和高可用性。 2016年下半年,Paolo出任了首席技术官一职,并同时负责后端开发。


Paolo曾表示:‘我们认为闪电网络可以成为我们行业的游戏规则改变者,因为它可以以小额费用和高吞吐量实现P2P小额支付。它的P2P性质承载着比特币不可阻挡的力量。这需要更多的加密社区了解,理解并采用.”


AMA时间:


12月27日,周五,下午5点半


目前闪电网络支付是否存在资金安全问题?
闪电网络的未来发展趋势是什么?
闪电网络的门槛较高,普通用户如何使用闪电网络?
其真正的优势是什么?


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  • YEP!!! 船员 发表于2019-12-30 15:34:18
    【课代表】
    本期AMA整理:
    https://www.8btc.com/article/540321


  • 一只胡萝北 管理员 发表于2019-12-24 18:05:21
    欢迎大家提问!
  • 数字币行 海盗王 发表于2019-12-24 18:30:20
    目前闪电网络的节点数是增长率怎么样?可靠性受质疑,在安全方面在做那些努力。
    3p8FzUyS 水手 回复lai2dian 发表于2019-12-25 16:36:05
    不错,棒棒
    lai2dian 副船长 回复blockmeta_r00 发表于2019-12-25 10:01:39
    1ml.com
  • 魔都TnT 版主 发表于2019-12-24 19:40:58
    如果说闪电网络是解决比特币拥堵的必需品,那普及闪电网络之后会有效开拓哪些应用场景的瓶颈?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复魔都TnT 发表于2019-12-27 18:16:25
    闪电网络和Liquid当然会帮助解决比特币网络的拥堵问题。 这也将使电子商务能通过LN进行付款和结算(Bitfinex目前已经集成的Bitrefill就属于此类业务,https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/441)。 Bitfinex和Tether正在资助一组开发人员创建基于LN的协议,以在LN之上创建数字资产。 这将允许在LN上进行潜在的原子交换,跨境汇款以及真正的点对点加密货币交易等。 可能性将是无穷尽的
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复魔都TnT 发表于2019-12-27 17:49:15 嘉宾
    LN and Liquid will for sure help or solve completely the problem of Bitcoin main chain congestion. This will enable e-commerces to settle payments through Lightning Network (Bitfinex is already doing this with Bitrefill integration https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/441 ). Bitfinex and Tether are funding a group of developers to create a Lightning Network based protocol to create digital assets on top of LN. This will allow potentially atomic swaps on Lightning Network, remittances, true P2P crypto-exchanges and more. Possibilities then will be endless.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复魔都TnT 发表于2019-12-27 15:27:46
    If LN is needed to resolve the congestion on Bitcoin’s blockchain, what applications will be developed after mass adoption of LN?
  • 星星超人 队长 发表于2019-12-24 19:48:20
    闪电网络的小单位聪,感觉用途不是太明了,基础单位是不是太小了?
    lai2dian 副船长 回复星星超人 发表于2019-12-25 10:04:39
    请了解一下msat这个单位,就是千分之一聪,这个才是闪电网络基本单位。
    我看到一个用LN做去中心化聊天的应用,如果你像微信一样每天聊几百/几千条,每条信息路由费用至少1聪到几聪,你吃得消吗?还是看应用发展到什么水平。
    lai2dian 副船长 回复星星超人 发表于2019-12-25 09:58:35
    请了解一下msat这个单位,闪电网络里面这个才是默认单位,就是千分之一聪!
    我看到有一个基于LN的去中心化聊天应用,如果每一句聊天你都要消耗1聪到几聪,每天像微信一样聊个几百几千条,你会吃不消的。如果LN能大发展,量级大发展,单次路由的费用可能真的只有千分之一聪,甚至更低
  • aRbUK6nX 船员 发表于2019-12-24 20:39:23
    闪电网络仅仅是可以解决比特币拥堵吗?还可以应用在那些方面?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复aRbUK6nX 发表于2019-12-27 18:28:27

    LN对比特币的扩容已经是一个了不起的成就。 保持底层简单干净是非常重要的,(在比特币)被大规模采用之前做到这点也是必须的。 比特币用户的大部分付款和日常使用都需要在侧链和LN上进行。 从Bitfinex和Tether资助了一组开发人员创建基于Lightning Network的协议以在LN之上创建数字资产开始,我就认为跨境汇款,电子商务购物,本地商家集成,P2P交换, 云服务等业务可以建立在LN协议之上... LND几天前集成的一个协议更新,允许通过节点传递文本消息。 这为一些新的P2P应用程序带来了可能,例如分散式P2P聊天(想象一下whatsapp或微信等等...)。 可能性真的是无止境的。 这就像在互联网上建立了加密(货币)协议层。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复aRbUK6nX 发表于2019-12-27 17:55:48 嘉宾
    Scaling Bitcoin is per-se already an incredible achievement. Keeping the base layer clean is of key importance and needs definitely to happen before mass adoption. Most of payments and day-to-day use from Bitcoin users need to happen on sidechains and LN. Since Bitfinex and Tether are funding a group of developers to create a Lightning Network based protocol to create digital assets on top of LN, I see Lightning Network to be the base layer for remittances, e-commerce shopping, local merchant integrations, P2P exchanges, cloud services etc... LND few days ago integrated an update to the protocol to allow passing text messages around through nodes. This opens to a new set of P2P applications, like decentralized P2P chats (imagine whatsapp or wechat, ...). Possibilities are really endless. It's like a crypto-layer on top of internet.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复aRbUK6nX 发表于2019-12-27 15:28:07
    Is LN only used to scale Bitcoin? Are there other uses for LN?
  • a122111a 队长 发表于2019-12-24 21:48:23
    我觉得闪电网络只是临时解决拥堵,但不是长期。。
  • 愤怒的强强 水手 发表于2019-12-25 00:01:36
    就目前来讲闪电网络实用性还是很好的,但是如何保证他的长久安全性?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复愤怒的强强 发表于2019-12-27 20:05:19
    LN还非常年轻。 到今天为止,它没有遇到任何重大的安全问题,并且有很多杰出的开发者正在努力确保它能够成长的更加安全。 我相信,围绕闪电网络也会有很多流言蜚语(FUD)试图污蔑其潜力。 但是作为一名纯粹的技术人,开发者和赛博朋克,我只能说二层协议是一个构建无限可扩展性的正确途径。 再给它1到2年,通道限额会增加或终被取消,可靠性也将大大提高。 我自己的LN节点直到今天从未遇到任何问题。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复愤怒的强强 发表于2019-12-27 19:50:23 嘉宾
    LN is a really young technlogy. Till today it did not suffer any major security issue and it has a lot of talented developers working on it to ensure it grows as a safe environment. I believe than there is a lot of FUD around Lightning Network to try to discredit its potential. But as a pure technologist, developer and cyberpunk I can only say that it's the right way to build a second layer for indefinite scalability. Give it 1 or 2 years more and channel sizes limits will increase or eventually get removed and reliability will improve vastly. Already today I never experienced a single issue with my LN nodes.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复愤怒的强强 发表于2019-12-27 17:21:46
    For the moment, LN has good practicality, but how to ensure its long-term security?
  • lai2dian 副船长 发表于2019-12-25 09:55:01
    我非常高兴看到bitfinex已经支持闪电网络充值提现了,我去尝试,效果不是很好。我自己建设了一个lightning network Node,并且跟bitrefill等几个主流的LN node建立了channel,没有跟bitfinex直接建立channel。当我最后发现单次充值最大能力只有0.001BTC,问题出在哪里?这么小的数值让人很失望啊。
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复lai2dian 发表于2019-12-27 18:40:26
    Lightning Network限制了通道大小,以便能更安全地被所有人使用。 现在,尽管我们将充值和提款限制为0.02 BTC,但bitfinex上的通道大小为0.04294967 BTC。 您可以使用bluewallet或其他支持Lighning Network的钱包进行测试。
    您在哪看到了0.001BTC限制?
    我认为非常重要的一件事,是要意识到Lightning Network是一项仍在积极开发中的技术,因此,为了向Bitfinex用户提供可靠和安全的服务,Bitfinex尊重LND开发人员当前提出的建议限额值。 同样清楚的是,也许仍需经过数周和数月,但通道限额将增加,而Lightning Network的实施将变得更加稳定。
    我还相信,这项技术的令人兴奋的部分不仅仅是真正快速地发送和接收Satoshis,它所表达的更多的是:一项经过精良设计,有着优秀的灵活性和可扩展性的P2P支付服务。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复lai2dian 发表于2019-12-27 17:34:08 嘉宾
    Lightning Network limits channel size in order to make the adoption more secure for everyone. Right now channel size on bitfinex is 0.04294967 BTC although we limit deposit and withdrawals to 0.02 BTC. You can test that with bluewallet or other Lighning Network enabled wallets. Where did you find 0.001BTC limit? That said, I beleive it's important to be aware that Lighting Network is a technology still in really active development, so, in order to offer a reliable and safe service to Bitfinex users, Bitfinex is respecting the currently suggested limits from LND developers. It's also clear that while the weeks and months will pass, the maximum channel size limit will increase, while Lightning Network implementations will become more stable.
    I also believe that the exciting part of this technology is not just sending back and forth Satoshis really fast, but it's what it represents: a P2P payment service properly designed, incredibly resilient and scalable.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复lai2dian 发表于2019-12-27 15:29:56
    I’m excited to see LN integration on Bitfinex, I’ve tried LN deposit and withdrawal (on Bitfinex) but the experience was not too good. I’ve created a LN node myself, with channels to Bitrefill and some other major LN Nodes, but not Bitfinex. I eventually found the maximum deposit is only 0.001BTC, why is this such a small amount? That’s a little disappointing to me.
  • 九级浪 船员 发表于2019-12-25 16:12:33
    Bitfinex选择上线闪电网络有着哪方面考量?闪电网络对交易所来说意味着什么?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复Paolo_Ardoino 发表于2019-12-27 19:10:04
    在Bitfinex,我们相信作为行业的主要组成部分之一,加密货币交易所的作用是支持和整合行业生态系统中最重要,最有前景的技术项目。从历史上看,交易所一直是新用户与加密货币之间的门户和第一接触点,交易所应该给他们提供有价值的信息,和行业教育等等。最近,交易所之间的竞争更加激烈,但更多地集中在日常业务上,这和我们行业早期的创新精神渐行渐远。有时,我们似乎在遗忘交易所业务的蓬勃发展是建立比特币这一前沿的技术创新之上,而努力去支持指数创新曲线是这种革命性生态系统成功的关键因素。 Bitfinex在这个过程中作为领导者,当然也不会忘记其历史和灵魂。这就是为什么尽早的支持像Lightning Network这样的技术对我们来说非常自然,对其他交易所来说也应如此。除此之外,在战略层面,Bitfinex是一家以开发人员为主导的公司,因此对于一项可能在未来十年成为最重要的基础协议之一的技术(LN),我们自然非常兴奋并很轻易的选择去拥抱它。
    最后我也非常肯定,一旦像Bitfinex这样的交易所表现对一项新技术的认可,其他交易所也必将跟进。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复九级浪 发表于2019-12-27 17:36:41 嘉宾
    At Bitfinex we believe that the role of a crypto-exchange, as one of the main components of our industry, is to support and integrate with the most important and promising projects in our ecosystem. Historically exchanges have been gateways and first point of contact between new users and cryptocurrencies, providing valuable information, education and more. Lately the competition among exchanges intensified and focused more on day-to-day business leaving aside the innovation spirit that characterized the early years of our industry. Sometimes we seem to be forgetting that exchanges surged on the bleeding edge technology that is Bitcoin and pushing really hard to support the exponential innovation curve was a key factor in such revolutionary ecosystem. Bitfinex led this process and should not forget its history and soul. That's why early supporting technologies like Lightning Network is simply a natural process for us and should be for crypto exchanges in general. In addition to this, Bitfinex is a developers driven company when it comes to strategy, so it's really easy for us to be excited for what could be one of the most important base protocols of the next decade.
    As last consideration, I'm sure that once an exchange like Bitfinex shows such commitment to a technology, other exchanges will be forced to follow our lead.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复九级浪 发表于2019-12-27 15:29:12
    What are the main considerations of Bitfinex to integrate LN? What does LN mean to a crypto exchange?
  • 吃个大饼 船员 发表于2019-12-25 17:04:39
    年初的时候,社区内对闪电网络的期待非常高,希望能够带动微支付的发展,引爆下一轮牛市。

    但随着行情的走熊,主链上交易数持续下滑,LN 节点数和网络容量的增长也趋于停滞。Bitfinex 为什么选择在这个时候上线对闪电网络的支持,未来二层协议将如何发展?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复吃个大饼 发表于2019-12-27 20:19:27
    我觉得对于比特币价格而言,2019年并不算糟糕的一年。(到目前为止)它基本上翻了一番。当然,有些比特币支持者,总是非常急切地希望每个月都能看到可以带来价格上涨的重大突破。有时候,伟大的事情比人们所期待的往往需要更多时间。闪电网络就是其中之一。我相信,随着闪电网络在生产环境变得越来越可靠,更多新的业务在其基础上实现,以及(比特币)减半,这些事情加起来将对2020年的比特币价格产生重大影响。
    关于LN节点的数量,你说的对它确实暂时停止了,但我可以肯定的一个观点是,随着技术的进步,我们也需要在用户教育和体验方面更加努力。我们需要让人们知道如何在家中运行自己的节点,如何在Raspberry Pi上安装它并连接到其他节点。这需要时间。我们会到那的。
    Bitfinex热爱技术和比特币。我们自然而然地整合了有潜力为我们行业试图带来的革命的产生影响的早期技术。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复吃个大饼 发表于2019-12-27 17:38:43 嘉宾
    2019 was not a bad year for Bitcoin price I believe. It basically doubled. Of course for whom is invested in Bitcoin, there is always a lot of anxiety to see every month great developments that can bring the price to increase. Sometimes great things require more time than what was accounted for. Lightning Network is one of those things. I believe that the sum of Lightning Network getting monthly more production ready enabling new bussinesses and halving will make a big difference in Bitcoin price in 2020.
    When it comes to the number of LN nodes, it is true that is temporarily stopped, but I'm also sure that we are at a point that while the technology improves, we need to work harder on eduction and user experience. We need to teach how to run your own node at home, how to install it on a Raspberry Pi and connect to other nodes. It takes time. We'll get there.
    Bitfinex loves technology and Bitcoin. It is natural for us integrate early technologies that can make a difference for the revolution our industry is trying to bring.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复吃个大饼 发表于2019-12-27 15:30:46
    Earlier this year, the community was looking forward to LN, expecting LN to push forward the development of Bitcoin micro-payment, and even to lead the next bull run.
    But in the coming bear market, the transactions on Bitcoin’s original blockchain have slipped, the LN nodes and network scale have stopped growing. Why did Bitfinex choose to launch the LN integration recently? What’s your vision for Bitcoin’s second-layer protocol?
  • wetrustbtc 副船长 发表于2019-12-25 17:06:36
    Bitfinex 对新技术非常积极,之前就已经陆续上线了 SegWit 隔离见证、Bech32 地址格式、Liquid 侧链的支持,你们如何看待这些新技术的?为何其他交易所的支持就缓慢很多?

    特别像 Liquid 侧链,之前看到很多家都宣布要支持,但真正落地实现的,却寥寥无几。
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复wetrustbtc 发表于2019-12-27 20:33:50
    很多交易所日常工作大多是在进行上币大战,或是市场营销。尽管这些确实也很重要,客户总是乐于交易新的数字资产,但同样重要的是,交易所也应保持在技术领导者和支持者的角色。 Bitfinex始终专注于技术。每个在Bitfinex工作的人都对数字货币在未来几十年的金融变革中表现出的潜力感到兴奋,因此,作为数字货币骨灰粉,我们致力于在最有前景和能改变游戏规则的项目上寻求收获,支持它们并将其融入到我们的产品中。闪电网络和Liquid就是其中两个项目。
    Liquid是一个很棒的企业级比特币侧链。在Bitfinex,我们认识到对于区块链平台来说,集成第2层和侧链解决方案以避免基础层拥堵很重要。基础层应仅充当较高层的结算层。这样,我们才能实现高可扩展性。
    我想说集成Liquid并不是很难的事情,但很难过的看到,只有少数的交易所真正实现了对Liquid的支持。对于闪电网络来说也是如此。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复wetrustbtc 发表于2019-12-27 17:40:29 嘉宾
    Most exchanges are engaged on a day-to-day battle to list the latest coin or are incredibly marketing oriented. While indeed these are important things and customers are always excited to get access to new digital assets, it's important that exchanges maintain the role of technology leaders and supporters. Bitfinex always focused on Technology first. Everyone that works in Bitfinex is excited by what cryptocurrency can represent for the finance of the next decades, so as crypto-enthusiasts, we focus with passion to harvest the most promising and game changing projects and support them in our exchange. Lightning Network and Liquid are two of these projects.
    Liquid is a great enterprise grade Bitcoin sidechain. At Bitfinex we recognize that it's important for crypto-platforms to integrate layer-2 and sidechain solutions to avoid to bloat the base layer. Base layers should act only as settlement layers for higher level layers. Only in this way we can achieve high scalability.
    Liquid was a really simple integration I must say, so it's almost sad to see that only few exchanges are showing a real support to it. As it happens for Lightning Network.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复wetrustbtc 发表于2019-12-27 15:31:16
    Bitfinex is a real technology enthusiast, with previous launches to support Segwit, Bech32 and Liquid. What’s your vision for all of these new technologies?
    Why do most other exchanges integrate these technologies so inefficiently?
    For example, some exchanges claimed to support Liquid, but few have really achieved it.
  • 撸串青年 队长 发表于2019-12-25 17:34:58
    Hi Paolo, 你认为闪电网络目前面临最大的可用性障碍有哪些?为了能使它得到广泛采用,需要如何改进?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复撸串青年 发表于2019-12-27 20:44:17
    与任何新技术一样,LN首先关注协议的稳定性和可扩展性,而将用户体验作为最后一步。 当然用户体验将是大规模采用的主要挑战之一。 就可用性而言,Bitfinex对LN充值和提现的实施仍可得到广泛改善,我们正努力在下个月提供一个容量上更新。 非常重要地,也请留意,最近我们看到越来越多的移动端钱包在设计基于LN的惊艳而流畅的付款流程。 因此可用性肯定会在2020年大大进步。
    知名度和用户教育将是大规模采用的下一步,但我敢肯定这也不是问题。 这是(一次)纯粹的进化。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复撸串青年 发表于2019-12-27 17:46:11 嘉宾
    Lightning Network, as any new technology, is focusing first on the stability, scalability resilience of the protocol, leaving user experience as last step. Indeed user experience will be one of the main challenges for mass adoption. Even Bitfinex implementation of LN deposits and withdrawas can be widely improved in terms of usability and we are working hard to provide a flow update in the next month. It's important to note that recently we are seeing more and more mobile wallets designing impressively smooth payment flows based on Lightning Network. So usability will catch up in the 2020 for sure.
    Awareness and eduction will be next step for mass adoption, but I'm sure it won't be a problem either. It's pure evolution.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复撸串青年 发表于2019-12-27 15:31:36
    Hi Paolo, what do you think are the biggest barriers to the usability of LN? Any further improvement needed for mass adoption?
  • 利特了 船员 发表于2019-12-25 17:52:03
    普通用户如何使用闪电网络?Bitfinex 会通过什么方式向普通用户推广闪电网络?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复利特了 发表于2019-12-27 20:51:33
    普通用户可以下载像bluewallet这样的钱包,然后测试发送0.0001 BTC到Bitfinex并将其提出。 感受一下...不同。 当您在普通区块链上发送交易时,您知道该交易已广播到内存池,并最终会被包含在区块中进行确认。 当您发送LN交易时,您可以认为您的交易正在许多节点之间转发,并最终到达目的地。 这种体验有种内在的自由和力量感。 Bitfinex将通过教学文章和视频将LN的日常使用以及更深层的技术和产品哲学方面的知识分享给客户乃及整个加密社区
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复利特了 发表于2019-12-27 18:01:06 嘉宾
    Average users should download a wallet like bluewallet and just test sending 0.0001 BTC to Bitfinex and withdrawing it back. It feels .... different. When you send a transaction on a normal blockchain you know that the transaction gets broadcasted to a mempool and then that will be included eventually in a block to confirm it. When you send a LN payment, you have to think that your transaction is getting routed between a lot of nodes to reach finally destination. It gives you an intrinsic sensation of freedom and power. Bitfinex will help educating customers and in general crypto-community with articles and videos on day-to-day LN usage and deeper technical and phylosophical considerations.
    BurntCoins 船长 回复利特了 发表于2019-12-27 17:50:51
    Bluewallet默认是中心化托管的。Phoenix钱包就不是,而且用起来也是很傻瓜的。
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复利特了 发表于2019-12-27 15:31:52
    How can average users use LN? How will Bitfinex promote LN to average users?
  • 捞月亮的人 船员 发表于2019-12-25 18:00:00
    可以通过闪电网络进行大额支付吗?会有什么风险吗?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复捞月亮的人 发表于2019-12-27 20:55:29
    目前,闪电网络将通道大小限制为0.04294967 BTC。 这的确不是一个很大的数目,但重要的是要保证这样的新协议可以在社区进行安全测试的同时保持活跃的开发状态。 如果您需要发送大量BTC,可以选择Liquid或Bitcoin主链。
    不必担心如此低的限制:这只是暂时的,它使企业和用户的测试和集成更加安全。 当涉及到如此重要的技术时,我们不应操之过急。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复捞月亮的人 发表于2019-12-27 17:56:52 嘉宾
    At the moment Lightning Network limits the size of channels to 0.04294967 BTC. It's not a big amount indeed, but it's important to ensure that such a new protocol can remain in active development while being safely tested by the community. If you need to send big amounts of BTC you can use Liquid or Bitcoin main chain. So there is not need to be worried of such low limit: it is temporary and it makes testing and integration by businesses and users much safer. We should not be in a big rush when it comes to such important technology.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复捞月亮的人 发表于2019-12-27 15:32:09
    Is LN also available for big amount transaction? Are there any risks?
  • hellobitcoin 副船长 发表于2019-12-25 18:39:23
    我想问下闪电网络之外的问题:
    1.Bitfinex作为超级老牌且知名的交易所,在最近两年的交易所纷争和崛起的格局变化中似乎不占上风,2019年的IEO说实话也是惨淡收场,想问下Bitfinex未来的重点发展计划?核心侧重点是什么?以及怎么应对激烈的交易所竞争?
    2.Bitfinex好像一直没有做中国市场,想问下您和团队对中国市场怎么看?未来有没有发展中国市场的计划呢?
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复hellobitcoin 发表于2019-12-27 21:47:41
    好问题。去年竞争异常激烈,您可能会说Bitfinex失去了相当大的市场份额。但是,如果您查看Bitfinex加密冷钱包,您会发现我们仍然是按冷钱包比特币数量排名前三的交易所之一。不幸的是,有些公司更专注谁的营销声音更大而不是纯粹的技术进步。不要被这种作为所愚弄。 长时间以来Bitfinex坚韧不拔不卑不吭的一直在为行业做贡献。能说这话的同行寥寥无几。加密货币行业目前同样也对Bitfinex有着强烈的共鸣,这也是为什么Unus Sed $LEO代币能够在10天之内筹集到相当于10亿美元的资金。同样,这也是Bitfinex比以往更强大的重要标志。在Unus Sed LEO代币销售时,我们发布了白皮书:https://www.bitfinex.com/wp-2019-05.pdf。本白皮书包含了许多我们的理念和长期计划。
    我们最近推出了100倍期货和永久掉期市场https://www.bitfinex.com/t/BTCF0:USTF0(您可以在此处查看更多信息https://www.bitfinex.com/t/BTCF0:USTF0/details) 。我们目前正在研究期权,证券代币发售和预测市场。同时,我们正在为可不断为我们的行业带来新的活力的项目做出贡献和投资。
    另外,正如您所说,IEO市场表现在过去几个月中有所放缓,但我们正在整理一些令人印象深刻的项目,这些项目选择使用Bitfinex作为其代币销售平台。如前所述,Bitfinex宁可专注于几个优质项目,而不是项目的数量,因为保护我们的客户免受设计不良的投资的危害很重要。
    我们只有不到25个开发人员(包括前端,后端和测试)来完成所有这些工作。 Finex中的每个人都像狮子一样厉害!
    谈到中国市场,Bitfinex一直是一家不太专注于营销的公司,但我们更喜欢发展社区,帮助我们传播这家为了技术创新和保护它的用户而奋斗的世界上最棒的加密货币交易所。我们能看到华人社区对Bitfinex的兴趣与日俱增,面对这样的认可我们加倍谦逊。我们也希望看到这种趋势在2020年持续增长。作为一家全球化公司,我们爱中国,中国用户和政府对区块链的支持也在日益显现。
    Paolo_Ardoino 回复hellobitcoin 发表于2019-12-27 17:44:11 嘉宾
    That's a good question. In the last year, competition increased incredibly and you could potentially say that Bitfinex lost quite some market share. But if you look at Bitfinex crypto cold wallets you can see that we are still one of the top 3 exchanges by wallet size. Unfortunatey there are companies that focus more on marketing and loud voice rather than pure technology advancement. Don't get fooled by such behaviour. Bitfinex has a long history of resilience and humble work to support the industry. Few other platforms can say the same. Recently crypto-industry has a strong feeling for Bitfinex, that was able to reaise in 10 days 1 Billion dollars equivalent for Unus Sed $LEO token. Again, this is an important sign that BItfinex is stronger than ever. At the moment of Unus Sed LEO token sale we published our whitepaper: https://www.bitfinex.com/wp-2019-05.pdf . This whitepaper contains a lot of our philosophy and long term plan.
    We recently launched our 100x futures and perpetual swaps markets https://www.bitfinex.com/t/BTCF0:USTF0 (you can see more information here https://www.bitfinex.com/t/BTCF0:USTF0/details). We're currently working on crypto-options, security tokens offerings and prediction markets. At the same time we are contributing and investing in projects that continue to bring new vibrant energy to our industry.
    Also, as you said the IEO market slowed down in the last few months, but we are aligning few impressive projects that choosen Bitfinex as their token sales platform. As mentioned before, Bitfinex focuses on few quality projects rather then on the quantity, because it is important to protect our customers from the dangers of poorly designed investments.
    We are doing all this with less than 25 developers including frontend, backend and QA. Everyone in Finex is a lion!
    When it comes to China, Bitfinex has been a company that did not focus a lot on marketing in general but we prefer to grow communities that help us to spread the world of a top quality crypto-exchange, that works for the technology and to protect its users. We see a growing interest from Chinese community around Bitfinex, and we are humbled by such recognisement. We hope to see this trend increasing for 2020. We consider ourselves a global company and we love China and the support Chinese users and government is showing towards Crypto.
    AMA官方翻译小助手 船员 回复hellobitcoin 发表于2019-12-27 15:32:26
    May I ask some questions beside LN:
    a) As one of the oldest and most well-known crypto exchange, Bitfinex is not taking much advantage of the competition, while some other exchanges have been growing. And the IEO rush of 2019 seems to be going quiet eventually. So what is Bitfinex’s plan for market development? Any important actions & plans? And how are you going to compete in the battle of crypto exchanges?
    b) Bitfinex seems to be never really into the Chinese market. What’s the view of you and the Bitfinex team towards the China market? Any plans for market development in China?
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